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November 16, 2006 - 9:50am
Cindy,I have tried to give this new structure of forums a period of time to become comfortable and after having talked privately with others, I know I am not alone in finding this to be virtually impossible. It's gotten to the point that I am avoiding the forum because I walk away shaking my head (and my fist) each time I attempt to catch up on forum postings when I have not had the opportunity to visit the site for a few days.I, for one, would at least like to see a link that I could quickly click on when I launch the forum that says "All messages posted since your last visit" that would go across all areas of the forum (labeled by area) so I could then click on a "Show full thread" link and be able to ferret out useful information to me and eliminate things that don't interest me. The forum is an invaluable tool to your users, but I have to say that this migration has made me not put it on my favorites and I'm hoping it can be tweaked to the point that it returns to the helpful resource it's been in the past. Chuck Motter
November 21, 2006 - 4:56pm#1
Frustration with new forums
For those of you who remember when Advantage changed over to a Windows program from Version 8, there were many cries of dismay, myself included, comments like "you'll have to take Version 8 out of my cold dead fingers", and Windows being new back then, nobody really wanted it to get complicated after the wonders of V8. Look at 4.1 now. I'm hoping that I will be able to transition to this new forum like I did from V8 to Total Eclipse, but.....here's what I miss. I liked the idea of going in and clicking on say the Total Eclipse forum, or the realtime forum, or dev forum and seeing all the posts in one long scrolling line. It said how many were new. I could scroll to the new one and read it, or not read it, and the next time I went into that forum, it wasn't still marked as "new", and the totals reflected posts that were really new to me. Going from one to 20, and having to click next for the next 20 and so on takes time, and getting back out of that forum means you have to "BACK" out of all the screens to get back to the list again. I read the forums more than once a day because there is much to be learned. On a subject like the Mira's inner workings, I wouldn't read because I don't intend to buy anything but the Passport, so I skip that one. In this forum, it's still marked as a new post the next time I go in, so the total new number at the top of the particular forum really includes old new posts that I didn't want to look at the last time. In the old forum, when I went in and it said there were seven new posts, there were really seven new posts. A lot of hard work went into this new website, and like the rest of you, I appreciate this effort. I'd still like to just click a forum and see everything in one scroll as I've said. However, I really do remember how against the change I was from Version 8, and how I wanted to keep that simple great program forever. I was wrong then, and I'm probably wrong now preferring the old one, but if this new forum would include the features I've listed from the old one, I'm sure it would turn out like Total Eclipse did. I, again, appreciate the hard work on this new endeavor, but getting in and out as quickly as the old forum was would certainly keep more people reading these valuable posts. And a PS for Breck, I probably don't want to preview my message either, but there have been lots of times I wish I had. Howard
November 20, 2006 - 12:57pm#2
FWIW, I agree.
I appreciate the time and effort it took to change the forum and I know the intent was to make it better. So I want to at least aknowledge the work that's been done to improve the CRNet forum. And even this new format. Some changes have already been made based on people's comments.
But I'm not a fan of this new format. I'm trying to like it. I'm trying to figure out how to navigate easily and efficiently. Unfortunately, I'm not liking it and I find myself not visiting as often as I used to.
**Edited to add: I was just checking to see if I'm set up to receive email replies to my mssgs. (My Account, then Edit) While there, I see there are a few other choices that you may want to pay attention to. In case you didn't already know this, there are three different views you can choose for how this forum looks to you. I changed my view. It helped. The three choices are Chameleon, Democratica, Republica. Try them.
November 21, 2006 - 7:15pm#3
Thanks for the recommendation. I believe the forum's default style is Republica. I like Chameleon the best, but miss some of the features from Republica, such as the little yellow NEW ballons on new posts. Chameleon and Democratica both just put asterisks in. And I really, really want to be able to change the font color settings in Chameleon.
If it helps with the website creation, here's what I like about Chameleon, and this may be echoed by some of the other user's comments. The listing of topics are closer together, and in smaller print, and they line up in tight rows. It also "seems" like there are more on each page because they're easier to read. They also take up 1/2 to 3/4 of the page with the meat of the postings being closer to the middle of the screen. Republica pushes the topics to the right, using 1/2 to 1/3 of the page on the far right side. I then end up with a lot of white on my screen, making me feel like I'm not able to see the whole screen even though I am. The centering seems like it's very important for ease of reading and searching.
For what it's worth, I hope that helps with constructive criticism.
P.S. I like Democratica, except that if I'm not in a fully open IE window (which I don't like to do) the forum information is pushed down to the bottom of the page after the left margin information is finished. If it's open in full screen, then it starts at the top of the page. I usually use a 3/4 sized IE window so I can have easy access to my other open windows.
P.P.S. It looks like from more testing that most of my problems are due to the fact that I use smaller IE windows and the formats don't adjust well to that. Plus I still don't like Republica not centering the text. It pushes it to the right.
November 22, 2006 - 3:26pm#4
glad my post helped
Glad my post helped. I forget what choice I made (that was a whole day ago, you know!!!:-), but it has helped me navigate this forum better. Thanks for the comments regarding the different views...I'm sure it'll help others.
November 17, 2006 - 3:41pm#5
New Forum Format
Simply put... It stinks. The old format was simple. I've never liked this type of format and have avoided message boards that have employeed it. I guess I will be avoiding this as much as possible.
Cast my vote with the vast majority and go back to the old forum. It may not have looked as crisp, but it was usable and this is not.
November 19, 2006 - 5:33pm#6
You said you "never liked this type of format and have avoided message boards that have employed it." If I can ask, what do you mean by "this type of format." I had responded to one of your posts suggesting the vBulletin program, but I have a feeling maybe that's the format you don't like. Personally, I love that format, but maybe it's because I frequent a number of boards. I certainly wouldn't want to suggest a format that no one would like. Really, I think the problem with this new board is there is NOTHING different about it from the previous one, except that now it's just more difficult to navigate.
What I didn't like about the old forum is that nothing was categorized. I, for one, would like there to be separate sub-forums for things like macros, realtime, hardware, etc. If they're not separated, I still end up having to glean from a poster's title what a thread is going to be about. Sometimes it was clear, many times it wasn't.
Joseph B. Armstrong
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November 17, 2006 - 11:45am#7
Frustration with new Forums
I like the attempt to make these forums more updated, but I agree that they're not quite there ......yet I, for one, notice that on some of the postings that I have an option to click on "reply" and on other postings there's not that option, but, instead, "post a comment" is there and then I have to go back up to see what the title of the thread was and fill in the information. That's not how I would hope that would work. I want to be able to click on "reply" and be able to instantly start typing in my thoughts on whatever the subject matter is.
Also, sometimes I have the option of clicking "submit" and other times I have to "preview comment." Well, I typed it....I really don't want to review it again....just send it.
My .000000002 worth. :)
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November 16, 2006 - 10:05am#8
I agree with Chuck's post. It would be really, really nice to see a list of ONLY the posts that I haven't seen since my last visit, and then be able to click on a thread if I were interested.
I used to visit this site daily, but have been avoiding it because it is really difficult to navigate through to what I want to read.
November 16, 2006 - 4:14pm#9
It takes a lot more time and a lot of scrolling to view these now, and we're not getting the usual responses we used to because people just don't feel this is a user friendly format anymore. However, it is apparent that Cindy and her staff are trying to make changes as fast as they can to make us happy.
How about this? Someone start a thread of What We Like About the New Forums and another one called What We Don't Like About the New Forums. That way they have one place to look for input from all of us users and can maybe respond to some of our concerns.
November 16, 2006 - 7:18pm#10
The new format for this site is absurdly tough to nagivate. It's hard to figure out where to find nearly anything. You've tried to make changes to this site before and received voluminous complaints -- it'd be appreciated if you'd restore the previous format; it was fine as it was. HJ
November 17, 2006 - 7:02pm#11
I have to say I agree with all comments made here. I was a regular visitor and gleened countless pages of information pertinent to these topics. I don't visit nearly as often anymore either because I find it too time consuming to ferret out what I'm interested in or because I just don't like the layout. We all know change is inevitable, and I for one will continue to try to find the shortcuts to use this forum, however we all spend countless hours a day updating our software, our knowledge, our skill, and it would be greatly appreciated to go back to the previous forum format so we as a group of professionals could save a few minutes a day for our families and personal lives by being able to use a more user-friendly format here.
November 18, 2006 - 10:45am#12
Just wanted to say I agree with Chuck's original post. First, thank you, Advantage for listening and for trying a new format. There were problems with the old one -- such as trying to search for previous threads and only having dates that were five years old... so a change was needed. And this one isn't all that bad. it blends in with the style of the site nicely and it's not too tough to naviagate -- however, it does take more time and it would be great if you could only see new posts, etc. So if you can tweak it, great. if not, maybe consider a different program that will.
Thanks for listening.
November 19, 2006 - 10:26pm#13
Just wanted to add my voice to those who do not like the new forum. It looks pretty, but takes more time to go through than before and somehow just does not have that old comfortable feeling.
November 20, 2006 - 9:25pm#14
I have found one way to make it easier to use. As someone above this suggested, I went to My Account, clicked on the Edit tab and selected lots of formatting issues, including the Democratica layout. and I have this link bookmarked: http://www.accucap.com/?q=tracker, so it shows up nice and pretty AND only the recent posts in ALL forums. You might try this after you've logged in and see what you think, then modify your own account and see how you like things.
It's getting a little bit easier to navigate.....
November 23, 2006 - 10:17am#15
Thanks for the tip on the Democratica layout. I haven't poked around enough to realize I could make these changes. I prefer this over what I had selected.
At least one thing I like about the new forum is that the topic and replies are together.
At least one thing I like about the new forum is that the topic and replies are together.